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  • #480308

    TopNotch
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    elmwood park, NJ

    Just saw this section. There are things we see that are a bad idea in construction and should be addressed in the code.

    One thing I see a lot of are window installations. Too much modern construction use plastic windows with flanges. A code should be made to provide trim to these type of products. I see these products as a lower lifespan and to have these flanges buried behind a stucco or stone veneer finish is a nightmare to replace and flash with inevitable retrofits.

    Working Pro since 1993

    Tom M

    #480315

    kurt@welkerhomes.com
    Pro
    Owatonna, MN - Minnesota

    Even our wood and aluminum clad windows have flanges, it is not just the vinyl or fiberglass. replacing them at a later date will become more difficult and expensive. Flashed properly, there should be a fairly decent life span for them.

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    #480321

    If flashing is done correctly I don’t ever have problems with failure due to install . On the other hand i do have a problem with built in j-channel . Trying to get a company now to replace there units now . Do to them breaking and bowing out .

    Don’t want to say company name due to dealing with them and the read online .

    Always willing to learn .

    #480323

    TopNotch
    Pro
    elmwood park, NJ

    An exterior casing would allow access to the flanges and provide wiggle room to slide flashing’s under house wraps and layers without cutting into siding.

    Working Pro since 1993

    Tom M

    #480327

    An exterior casing would allow access to the flanges and provide wiggle room to slide flashing’s under house wraps and layers without cutting into siding.

    I believe Anderson does that . I priced it out couple years ago . Not sure if they still do that .

    Always willing to learn .

    #480489

    jkirk
    Moderator
    halifax, nova scotia

    all of the points made are very good. the advantage of the nailing flange is to get a better seal both against water leaks but air tightness using flashing tapes. the point about the anderson windows having a integrated casing would be awesome if it became a industry standard.. say a casing that clicks in place over the flange or something

    i personally hate j’d out windows for the exact reason brought up. their more delicate

    heres a tip, dont fart in a space suit

    #480499

    TopNotch
    Pro
    elmwood park, NJ

    And I think the Windows would look better. Win win

    I can people reducing the size of replacement Windows to fit making egress problems.

    Working Pro since 1993

    Tom M

    #480572

    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    You make a good argument. I have personally never had to replace a window on a building that I couldn’t pull the siding back, but I can see how that scenario would be next to impossible to deal with. The replacement is obviously possible, but a bunch of custom trim work would likely be needed to make it all look good again.

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    #480804

    kixnbux
    Pro

    I install the flanged vinyl all the time. I flash then trim out with wood. Takes very little time to get it done right. Looks good too

    #480814

    TopNotch
    Pro
    elmwood park, NJ

    Yeah it doesn’t have to be the Anderson product that snaps on it could be cedar, azek, pine painted anything that allows you access to remove another component.

    Working Pro since 1993

    Tom M

    #482084

    Yeah it doesn’t have to be the Anderson product that snaps on it could be cedar, azek, pine painted anything that allows you access to remove another component.

    Something like a key way lock or half lap joint around frame . To seal right and easy dis attach for repair .

    Always willing to learn .

    #482108

    Warren6810
    Pro
    Akron, OH

    Yeah it doesn’t have to be the Anderson product that snaps on it could be cedar, azek, pine painted anything that allows you access to remove another component.

    Something like a key way lock or half lap joint around frame . To seal right and easy dis attach for repair .

    I don’t think the Andersen applied casings are meant to come off. Speaking of such, I installed a vinyl sliding door a couple weeks ago. We found out that the fixed panel is impossible to remove from the frame without removing the frame. If that ever breaks, the homeowner is so screwed.

    #482173

    TopNotch
    Pro
    elmwood park, NJ

    Yeah it doesn’t have to be the Anderson product that snaps on it could be cedar, azek, pine painted anything that allows you access to remove another component.

    Something like a key way lock or half lap joint around frame . To seal right and easy dis attach for repair .

    I don’t think the Andersen applied casings are meant to come off. Speaking of such, I installed a vinyl sliding door a couple weeks ago. We found out that the fixed panel is impossible to remove from the frame without removing the frame. If that ever breaks, the homeowner is so screwed.

    Exactly…..Im seeing a rash of cheaply built home around here with these ugly plan Jane vinyl window from box stores. Then stone veneers right up to the window, Im sure they are not flashed properly either. A simple 1×3 box frame would at least provide a retrofit option later.

    Im also seeing a trend with “Praire grills” in the glass as opposed to 6 over 6 or my personal favorite 6 over 1.

    Working Pro since 1993

    Tom M

    #482457

    Yeah it doesn’t have to be the Anderson product that snaps on it could be cedar, azek, pine painted anything that allows you access to remove another component.

    Something like a key way lock or half lap joint around frame . To seal right and easy dis attach for repair .

    I don’t think the Andersen applied casings are meant to come off. Speaking of such, I installed a vinyl sliding door a couple weeks ago. We found out that the fixed panel is impossible to remove from the frame without removing the frame. If that ever breaks, the homeowner is so screwed.

    Yay I don’t remember the exact details . Just my guy at the yard telling me about them . Those units are going to be trouble for sure .

    Always willing to learn .

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