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  • #374993
    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    It’s odd I see a lot of electricians working out of SUVs. I used to own a truck for my own uses. Too many employers took one look at it and assumed it was now part of their fleet though. I’m back to a small SUV now.

    I had a rental truck for a couple weeks recently when my Subaru was hit in a parking lot…everyone wanted me to haul their crap. That included my boss! There was a lot of “just have Jon use his truck…” That was met with a lot of “piss off and use your own vehicle.” It was a 2015 Big Horn Edition Ram with 19 miles on it when I picked it up…not a single scratch. No way I was letting anyone near it, and it wasn’t even mine!

    Jon P.
    Timber Carpentry & Construction
    https://www.facebook.com/timbercarpentry/
    Instagram

    #375019
    gomoto69
    Pro
    salmon arm, bc

    I’ve had that issue too, was paid per km to get to work, but then turned into ‘run to town and pick up 2 tons of sand’, wasn’t worth the wear and tear on my personal truck.

    #375026
    DirtyWhiteBoy
    Pro
    Honolulu,, Hi.

    If one isn’t serious enough about the trade to have a truck and the tools, one shouldn’t be taking on jobs.

    Oh if you only knew some of the greats I have meant that started framing homes out of the trunk of a car.

    Dirty

    A Working Pro since 1988!

    Member since January 26, 2013.

    #375104
    RonW
    Moderator
    Holladay, Tn

    It’s odd I see a lot of electricians working out of SUVs. I used to own a truck for my own uses. Too many employers took one look at it and assumed it was now part of their fleet though. I’m back to a small SUV now.

    I like working out of my Jeep GC. Sometimes I wish it was a little bigger. I think a Ford excursion or a Suburban would be about perfect for me.

    Ron

    A Working Pro since 1994!

    Member since March 26, 2014.

    #375107

    I think people should be bringing their own tools to the job sites. If it happens to break when they’re using it are they going to fix/replace it or put it back and hope you didn’t notice they borrowed it

    At the shop, the company I’m working for, we use to have to supply our own tools, so a general rule applied, if someone borrowed your tools, and broke something, well they bought the tool replacement. , and when I’m working for myself, I generally have no problem. Usually my partner and I will have a license electrician, and a licensed plumber do the Bible stuff, and they always been the required tools. When we hired out a helper if was, usually for painting. So no biggie for paint supply’s.

    @Sparky603 I’m sorry but I’m not a hundred percent with you about having a work Truck. I started out with a small car. And I have seen some professional trades with work trucks, that I would not even hire. So I guess you could say it works both ways IMO. But I would love to get a pickup, and trade in my SUV. Little story, our old home we sold almost 3 years ago, we had a propane fireplace, I noticed that the exhaust piping between the top of the fire box had a small splitting in the pipe. I called the company because it has a ten years warranty, they said to stop using it, no kidding lol anyway they sent over a replacement kit and said one of their subs would be at our house to replace the piping. He showed up with a pickup truck, and guess what no tools haha, I had to lend him my tools, can’t believe how type of carp. Just not professional at all.

    #375122

    I think people should be bringing their own tools to the job sites. If it happens to break when they’re using it are they going to fix/replace it or put it back and hope you didn’t notice they borrowed it

    At the shop, the company I’m working for, we use to have to supply our own tools, so a general rule applied, if someone borrowed your tools, and broke something, well they bought the tool replacement. , and when I’m working for myself, I generally have no problem. Usually my partner and I will have a license electrician, and a licensed plumber do the Bible stuff, and they always been the required tools. When we hired out a helper if was, usually for painting. So no biggie for paint supply’s.

    @Sparky603 I’m sorry but I’m not a hundred percent with you about having a work Truck. I started out with a small car. And I have seen some professional trades with work trucks, that I would not even hire. So I guess you could say it works both ways IMO. But I would love to get a pickup, and trade in my SUV. Little story, our old home we sold almost 3 years ago, we had a propane fireplace, I noticed that the exhaust piping between the top of the fire box had a small splitting in the pipe. I called the company because it has a ten years warranty, they said to stop using it, no kidding lol anyway they sent over a replacement kit and said one of their subs would be at our house to replace the piping. He showed up with a pickup truck, and guess what no tools haha, I had to lend him my tools, can’t believe how type of carp. Just not professional at all.

    I also dont agree that the vehicle matters, within reason. If the guy is making sacrifices in what he’s bringing, that impact how the job gets done, there is an issue.

    Obviously, the first impression is going to matter. A guy in a newish, slightly broken in pickup is someone who looks the part. A guy in a luxury anything is going to overcharge. A small POS is a guy who either isnt any good, or is new enought to be a problem

    BUT some of the best guys Ive ever seen work have been old-country Europeans, and a lot of them will drive a wagon or hatchback, and have a trailer for the days the big stuff (TS, SCMS, etc) is needed. I dont even think an electrician needs much more than that.

    In europe, Ive seen guys working out of what are basically scooters with micro-pickup beds attached. Big enough to have a benchtop TS (guy had a GTS1031), a track saw (festool), and a stack of LBoxxes. In that place, there is no culture of (or room for) big trucks. But seeing those tools is reassuring.

    Wonder what impression my Volvo XC70 would give off, If I were a pro here in Canada….

    #375144
    Doobie
    Moderator

    If one isn’t serious enough about the trade to have a truck and the tools, one shouldn’t be taking on jobs.

    Oh if you only knew some of the greats I have meant that started framing homes out of the trunk of a car.

    Everybody has to start somewhere. And even then, for some, they don’t need a truck/pickup. And we all know that old saying “You can’t judged a book by its cover”.

    #375148
    theamcguy
    Pro
    Fayetteville, NC

    I had a rental truck for a couple weeks recently when my Subaru was hit in a parking lot…everyone wanted me to haul their crap.

    You get that a lot with a pick-up truck. Everybody just assumes it is no problem to have you do something for them.

    Automotive Pro
    Fayetteville, NC
    (and also the World's Fastest Poster)

    #375159
    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    If one isn’t serious enough about the trade to have a truck and the tools, one shouldn’t be taking on jobs.

    Oh if you only knew some of the greats I have meant that started framing homes out of the trunk of a car.

    Everybody has to start somewhere. And even then, for some, they don’t need a truck/pickup. And we all know that old saying “You can’t judged a book by its cover”.

    True. But unfortunately it happens. Once the first impression is made, it’s hard to change it. I think I’m doing well without a truck though. The majority of people I’ve worked for call me back for other jobs.

    Jon P.
    Timber Carpentry & Construction
    https://www.facebook.com/timbercarpentry/
    Instagram

    #375164

    If one isn’t serious enough about the trade to have a truck and the tools, one shouldn’t be taking on jobs.

    Oh if you only knew some of the greats I have meant that started framing homes out of the trunk of a car.

    Everybody has to start somewhere. And even then, for some, they don’t need a truck/pickup. And we all know that old saying “You can’t judged a book by its cover”.

    True. But unfortunately it happens. Once the first impression is made, it’s hard to change it. I think I’m doing well without a truck though. The majority of people I’ve worked for call me back for other jobs.

    I’m also sure it depends what you are driving and the condition its in. A filthy beat up car tells me you are careless and sloppy. A well cared for mid-range car tells me nothing bad (at worst) or tells me you are clean and efficient. A wagon often holds more than most SUVs (except in height) but it paints a different picture.

    I am becoming partial to the Transit Connect mini-vans as a pickup alternative though. Seems like a reasonable alternative to those huge beasts of burden

    #375174
    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    My Subaru is pristine. Its a 2010 no dents or dings and it’s kept as clean as possible….heck, many days there is a car seat and a bunch of pink toddler stuff in it!

    Jon P.
    Timber Carpentry & Construction
    https://www.facebook.com/timbercarpentry/
    Instagram

    #375177
    Doobie
    Moderator

    And for some people, a nice expensive truck or whatever you are using to go to jobs, sometimes for some people translates into ‘this guy charges a lot to afford such a nice vehicle’ mentality.

    I think it is a balance of what market you appeal to, and also what do you need to effectively carry on your craft without extreme compromises.

    #375224
    Youngin
    Pro
    Edmonton, AB

    I got a call the other week from a friend saying he needs my truck tomorrow to haul his motorcycle. I told him its out of commission with an oil pressure issue and its for sale so all I use is my Cherokee. He was upset.

    The last company I worked for had me park my truck at the shop while I took a company vehicle up north for a few days to work on a job. I left the keys at the shop just in case the truck had to be moved for what ever reason. I always thought I was perhaps too paranoid for keeping track of mileage when leaving my vehicle at the shop but apparently not. I came back to find around 200 extra km on the odometer. I was pissed and no one would fess up.

    #375241
    theamcguy
    Pro
    Fayetteville, NC

    I always thought I was perhaps too paranoid for keeping track of mileage when leaving my vehicle at the shop but apparently not. I came back to find around 200 extra km on the odometer. I was pissed and no one would fess up.

    Wow someone “borrowed” your truck with out asking. Some people I guess figured you wouldn’t mind.

    Automotive Pro
    Fayetteville, NC
    (and also the World's Fastest Poster)

    #375268
    gomoto69
    Pro
    salmon arm, bc

    Where i live more people drive 4×4 pickups than cars as daily drivers, soccer moms with an f350 dually is pretty common! Lots of wet snow in winter and steep side streets make them quite practical really. A buddy of mine started his concrete finishing business years ago with a little honda civic hatchback, and he would jam his power trowel in there with the hatch up and a bunjee, he’s moved up now and is one of the better finishers in town, but i always had a bit of a chuckle when i saw that big trowel hanging out the back of his civic!

    #375270
    jaydee
    Pro
    Spencer, Ma., happy 2015

    Oh if you only knew some of the greats I have meant that started framing homes out of the trunk of a car.

    The first house I worked on … the head framer Owner , had a ford escort hatchback. backed full. , 1984…

    #375282
    roninohio
    Pro
    New Franklin, OH

    I have seen guys with all the nice tools and truck and not know how to use them at all. I do agree that showing up in a brand new fancy truck sends the message that its going to cost a lot!

    #375298
    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    I have seen guys with all the nice tools and truck and not know how to use them at all. I do agree that showing up in a brand new fancy truck sends the message that its going to cost a lot!

    It’s all perception. When I see that shiny new truck, I think of the hard work and dedication that guy must have put in to buy it. He must be good at his job if he can afford to buy the truck…doesn’t necessarily mean he charges more than the next guy, just that he has more customers. (Product of being better apart his job!)

    Jon P.
    Timber Carpentry & Construction
    https://www.facebook.com/timbercarpentry/
    Instagram

    #375318

    I think people should be bringing their own tools to the job sites. If it happens to break when they’re using it are they going to fix/replace it or put it back and hope you didn’t notice they borrowed it

    At the shop, the company I’m working for, we use to have to supply our own tools, so a general rule applied, if someone borrowed your tools, and broke something, well they bought the tool replacement. , and when I’m working for myself, I generally have no problem. Usually my partner and I will have a license electrician, and a licensed plumber do the Bible stuff, and they always been the required tools. When we hired out a helper if was, usually for painting. So no biggie for paint supply’s.

    @Sparky603 I’m sorry but I’m not a hundred percent with you about having a work Truck. I started out with a small car. And I have seen some professional trades with work trucks, that I would not even hire. So I guess you could say it works both ways IMO. But I would love to get a pickup, and trade in my SUV. Little story, our old home we sold almost 3 years ago, we had a propane fireplace, I noticed that the exhaust piping between the top of the fire box had a small splitting in the pipe. I called the company because it has a ten years warranty, they said to stop using it, no kidding lol anyway they sent over a replacement kit and said one of their subs would be at our house to replace the piping. He showed up with a pickup truck, and guess what no tools haha, I had to lend him my tools, can’t believe how type of carp. Just not professional at all.

    I also dont agree that the vehicle matters, within reason. If the guy is making sacrifices in what he’s bringing, that impact how the job gets done, there is an issue.

    Obviously, the first impression is going to matter. A guy in a newish, slightly broken in pickup is someone who looks the part. A guy in a luxury anything is going to overcharge. A small POS is a guy who either isnt any good, or is new enought to be a problem

    BUT some of the best guys Ive ever seen work have been old-country Europeans, and a lot of them will drive a wagon or hatchback, and have a trailer for the days the big stuff (TS, SCMS, etc) is needed. I dont even think an electrician needs much more than that.

    In europe, Ive seen guys working out of what are basically scooters with micro-pickup beds attached. Big enough to have a benchtop TS (guy had a GTS1031), a track saw (festool), and a stack of LBoxxes. In that place, there is no culture of (or room for) big trucks. But seeing those tools is reassuring.

    Wonder what impression my Volvo XC70 would give off, If I were a pro here in Canada….

    I hear you, I had slowed down on my renovation sideline, I even sold over my two trailers, just because my wife fell sick, just after our daughter was born. So I decided to just do the one job and take care of my daughter and wife. But that being said, I’m missing the work like no tomorrow.

    I’m hoping to get back into it slowly, and maybe one day full time. As I love the feeling you can get by a job well done, and the expression on the clients face.

    Back on subject, reality is doesn’t matter what you drive, but unfortunately people tend to judge a book by the cover.

    #375340
    r-ice
    Pro
    Durham region, ON

    It’s odd I see a lot of electricians working out of SUVs. I used to own a truck for my own uses. Too many employers took one look at it and assumed it was now part of their fleet though. I’m back to a small SUV now.

    I had a rental truck for a couple weeks recently when my Subaru was hit in a parking lot…everyone wanted me to haul their crap. That included my boss! There was a lot of “just have Jon use his truck…” That was met with a lot of “piss off and use your own vehicle.” It was a 2015 Big Horn Edition Ram with 19 miles on it when I picked it up…not a single scratch. No way I was letting anyone near it, and it wasn’t even mine!

    I just recently got a truck and I get that quite often. I need to go to the dump, can you drive me. Depending on who it was, I would say okay but if its someone that hasn’t helped me out before i’d say go rent your own. Mind you I also would say that to people who told me not to buy a truck and to rent one when I needed one.

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