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  • #685330

    MTRoads
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    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    One of the items ‘brought to my attention’ when I decided to get a welder was replacing the deck gate which is made of wood and about 20 years old.
    This photo was provided and I am wrapping my head around the methods for some of the metalwork. The ‘leaves and flowers’ I think I have figured out, pretty much just cutting and working sheet metal over an anvil to the desired shapes.
    When it comes to the dragonfly body, I’m pretty much stumped from this image.
    Any suggestions on how that might be made would be greatly appreciated.
    I will not be making anything near this ornate (for now), but I do want to add some of the elements of the picture shown.

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    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

    #685335

    Sorpa
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    Pierrefonds, Qc

    That’s an ornate gate.
    As for the dragonfly, maybe a pipe with thin walls?

    #685336

    MTRoads
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    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    @sorpa, Agree with the thin-wall pipe for the lower section of the body, with appropriate areas cut out for the look.
    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

    #685351

    smallerstick
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    Listowel, ON

    @sorpa, Agree with the thin-wall pipe for the lower section of the body, with appropriate areas cut out for the look.
    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    Really interesting design. Probably used a lot of found objects to put it together. It would help a lot to see the actual work to know what the pieces are.

    Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it muffles the sound.

    #685354

    theamcguy
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    Fayetteville, NC

    One of the items ‘brought to my attention’ when I decided to get a welder was replacing the deck gate which is made of wood and about 20 years old.

    Interesting project you are undertaking. Looking forward to see how it comes out.

    Automotive Pro
    Fayetteville, NC

    #685365

    Sprokitz
    Pro
    Eastern shore of, Pa

    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    http://www.sharpeproducts.com/store/metal-spheres-hollow-balls

    #685386

    Boschmanbrian
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    Montreal , QC, Canada

    @sorpa, Agree with the thin-wall pipe for the lower section of the body, with appropriate areas cut out for the look.
    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    Really interesting design. Probably used a lot of found objects to put it together. It would help a lot to see the actual work to know what the pieces are.

    That’s what I’m thinking Peter, plenty of time, just have to let the mind wonder about, and find odd objects, could be old galvanised fence post caps,
    It definitely looks amazing in my opinion.

    #685427

    MTRoads
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    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    http://www.sharpeproducts.com/store/metal-spheres-hollow-balls

    Thanks for that link. Kind of spendy but just might fit the bill for the 3 upper body pieces.
    I would imagine that the best way to weld them together to get the appearance of the body parts would be to cut a side off one of the balls, file it down to a reasonable bevel and fit it up against the next ball, then weld.

    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

    #685438

    Sprokitz
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    Eastern shore of, Pa

    I would imagine that the best way to weld them together to get the appearance of the body parts would be to

    My thought is a little diferent on putting the body together. As far as the vines.. I think rebar would work and look great too.

    #685441

    MTRoads
    Pro
    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    I would imagine that the best way to weld them together to get the appearance of the body parts would be to

    My thought is a little diferent on putting the body together. As far as the vines.. I think rebar would work and look great too.

    If you don’t mind the question – how would you tackle the body parts?

    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

    #685495

    smallerstick
    Pro
    Listowel, ON

    @sorpa, Agree with the thin-wall pipe for the lower section of the body, with appropriate areas cut out for the look.
    The upper three segments look like round spheres welded together, don’t think I have ever seen round metal objects like that – at least that I can recall.

    Really interesting design. Probably used a lot of found objects to put it together. It would help a lot to see the actual work to know what the pieces are.

    That’s what I’m thinking Peter, plenty of time, just have to let the mind wonder about, and find odd objects, could be old galvanised fence post caps,
    It definitely looks amazing in my opinion.

    That’s where the pleasure comes from, searching for the odd stuff that makes it all come together. You do have to be careful welding galvanized; the zinc does funny things to the welding.

    Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it muffles the sound.

    #685692

    MTRoads
    Pro
    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    Ok, so the concept so far for the dragonfly is 3 metal balls for the first three parts, then a piece of thin wall tube for the rest of the body with appropriate cut-outs.
    The idea of rebar for the wing pieces sounds pretty darn good.
    Flowers and leaves – sheet metal, cut and hammered to give a somewhat realistic look.
    Not sure if I will go with the small berry looking pieces, but the small flowers look easy enough to do – again with metal tubing cut and flared on one end and closed up on the other end.

    Looking for a source for a used Argon tank as I have a feeling flux-core is just going to include a lot of cleanup.

    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

    #686102

    Sprokitz
    Pro
    Eastern shore of, Pa

    I would imagine that the best way to weld them together to get the appearance of the body parts would be to

    My thought is a little different on putting the body together. As far as the vines.. I think rebar would work and look great too.

    If you don’t mind the question – how would you tackle the body parts?

    Sorry for the late reply. Let me say this… I really like that gate. I consider it functional art, which makes the entire thing subjective. No doubt it started with an idea, a vision, an interpretaion and finally fabrication. Nothing about it is true to life nor is it to scale, but what it is, is everything is recognizable to anyone who sees it..and that’s all that matters.

    What I meant by my thought is a little different is I like the concept but I would put my own spin on it. I wouldn’t try to replicate the original artists work.

    #686175

    MTRoads
    Pro
    Near Glacier National Park, MT

    @sprokitz, I fully agree with you that ‘replicating’ the work is not the direction I will be going.

    This is more of a project where I need to do more learning and might as well work on something that can be used around the house. The grand-daughter is a big butterfly fan, so the dragonfly body should work for that almost as well.

    A good part of the learning for me will be designing jigs for laying out things such as the forming of the wings – see how much carries over from woodworking jig making.

    Stan
    From the Northwest corner of Montana.

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