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July 26, 2020 at 8:44 pm #748404
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ProOK I have an odd question, I noticed the bottom outside corner of the garage door was crumbling. I started digging at the corner there is no foundation, I can see dirt.
From the looks of it the garage door size might was reduced and some sort of brick or block was used and covered with parging.My worry now is that part of the brick wall is supported by this.
Do I need to remove it? or just had some concrete to shore it up?
what can I do to fix this?I have included pics.
July 27, 2020 at 8:42 am #748432In my opinion you have concrete block in that location that has disintegrated. I have seen this many times where the block continually exposed to wetting and drying will start to fail. This is especially common in areas where it may be exposed to salt in freeze thaw climates. There is probably a foundation there but the couple courses of block have deteriorated.
Based on Photo 2 it appears that there was block there at one time. My guess is that at some time in the past the block was crumbling and a previous owner had the surface of the block parged thinking it would protect it. The probably did not get all the loose material removed in all areas which did not allow the parging to bond properly.
I would remove all the loose material and fill the void with concrete then use a parging again to coat the surface to make everything look uniform. Once done, I would coat the area with a water seal every year or two to keep moisture and chemicals from affecting it again.
July 27, 2020 at 10:24 am #748433Doobie
ModeratorWhat Kurt said. 👍
July 28, 2020 at 8:34 am #748503dk_99
ProThanks that sounds like a good plan, appreciate the help
DK
July 30, 2020 at 2:03 pm #748640Skillman
ProI wonder if the previous owner didn’t drive into that spot since it’s right next to the door frame and patch badly . I would add just use a good bonding agent on all existing concrete before applying new material .
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July 30, 2020 at 6:32 pm #748668Doobie
ModeratorI wonder if the previous owner didn’t drive into that spot since it’s right next to the door frame and patch badly . I would add just use a good bonding agent on all existing concrete before applying new material .
Good additional point. Didn’t think of that myself and that’s what I’ve always done in the past.
Even more would be to add some imbedded stems in the surrounding solid crete before the pour if feasible. Just added insurance.
July 31, 2020 at 9:51 am #748707Skillman
ProI wonder if the previous owner didn’t drive into that spot since it’s right next to the door frame and patch badly . I would add just use a good bonding agent on all existing concrete before applying new material .
Good additional point. Didn’t think of that myself and that’s what I’ve always done in the past.
Even more would be to add some imbedded stems in the surrounding solid crete before the pour if feasible. Just added insurance.
Have you seen the plastic rebar they have over the traditional steel ones .
Always willing to learn .
July 31, 2020 at 11:57 am #748715Doobie
ModeratorI wonder if the previous owner didn’t drive into that spot since it’s right next to the door frame and patch badly . I would add just use a good bonding agent on all existing concrete before applying new material .
Good additional point. Didn’t think of that myself and that’s what I’ve always done in the past.
Even more would be to add some imbedded stems in the surrounding solid crete before the pour if feasible. Just added insurance.
Have you seen the plastic rebar they have over the traditional steel ones .
No I haven’t. I guess the advantage would be corrosion resistance in the future should a crack develop, or does it go beyond that reason?
July 31, 2020 at 12:06 pm #748717dk_99
ProThanks for the advise, but it is due to a car hitting it, since it is replicated on the right side of the door as well.
July 31, 2020 at 9:42 pm #748760Skillman
ProThanks for the advise, but it is due to a car hitting it, since it is replicated on the right side of the door as well.
Quick question would homeowners insurance or Automobile insurance cover the cost of repairs to the house . But I’m guessing that would require a claim be made .
Always willing to learn .
August 2, 2020 at 10:17 am #748873A car hitting the wall on both sides of a wide garage wall? This low?
August 2, 2020 at 10:34 am #748875No I haven’t. I guess the advantage would be corrosion resistance in the future should a crack develop, or does it go beyond that reason?
FRP rebars are made of fiberglass. They don’t corrode. Well, epoxy coated rebars resist corrosion as well. In addition, they are much lighter to handle, transport and install. Although you can’t bend them on site like you can with steel rebars. The issue with steel rebars isn’t just corrosion after install, it’s corrosion before install. This material can be dropped and staged at a site for weeks or even months, exposed to rain while waiting to be used. It’s already half rusted by the time they are unbundled. fiberglass rebars are necessary in some medical buildings that requires EM neutral walls, like places with MRI machines.
August 4, 2020 at 7:28 am #748992I agree with Kurt that this could be a water issue accelerated by freeze/thaw and salt.
When I see this on buildings there are a few possible issues.
1. Water is working it way down from above and this is the best area for it to escape. This damage can be worsened by freeze/thaw/salt and damage from shovel.2. Water is draining below that area and working it’s way up the block accelerated by freeze/thaw/salt
3. Salt and snow buildup in that area during winter left to soak into the wall and block.
I’m sure there could be more reasons but generally these are the most common.
Also, a fancy parge fix generally doesn’t last more then a couple years.
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August 5, 2020 at 2:14 pm #749109Skillman
ProI agree with Kurt that this could be a water issue accelerated by freeze/thaw and salt.
When I see this on buildings there are a few possible issues.
1. Water is working it way down from above and this is the best area for it to escape. This damage can be worsened by freeze/thaw/salt and damage from shovel.
2. Water is draining below that area and working it’s way up the block accelerated by freeze/thaw/salt
3. Salt and snow buildup in that area during winter left to soak into the wall and block.
I’m sure there could be more reasons but generally these are the most common.
Also, a fancy parge fix generally doesn’t last more then a couple years.
If a parge is down correctly and sealed does hold moisture in the wall causing more damage .
Always willing to learn .
August 20, 2020 at 5:27 am #749929Saratim2020
ProIt looks like the block is missing from the place, put concrete in it and page it.
Do not forget to put a bonding agent before putting concrete,August 31, 2020 at 10:00 pm #750619dk_99
ProHi Everyone just wanted to give you all an update, After your suggestion, I was able to patch the hole and re-parge the from.
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September 1, 2020 at 4:45 am #750623I’m surprised to see the stack joints on the brick. Was it originally like that?
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September 1, 2020 at 9:42 am #750629Doobie
ModeratorHi Everyone just wanted to give you all an update, After your suggestion, I was able to patch the hole and re-parge the from.
DKHey, that’s great. Glad you gave us an update. Too often we don’t get to hear back on things like this.
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September 1, 2020 at 7:31 pm #750643dk_99
ProYes it is , for a pattern the bricklayers did.
September 2, 2020 at 1:11 am #750664Doobie
ModeratorI’m surprised to see the stack joints on the brick. Was it originally like that?
Yes it is , for a pattern the bricklayers did.
We’ll assume this is the post you were answering to in that reply.
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