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EZSmart, Toronto Tool, vs. track saws – thoughts

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  • #375257
    Kamster
    Pro

    I’m not a pro but someone who has started to invest more time and energy into woodworking. I need to break down 3/4 inch plywood and I’m not happy about cutting full size sheets on my Bosch 4100 even with outfeed tables and other supports from both the safety and accuracy points of view.

    I don’t have the dedicated space for a workshop so everything has to be pulled out and set up for the cuts with the table saw.

    I’ve been reading about the EZSmart EZ-One system
    http://www.eurekazone.com/product_p/ezt1000.htm

    and the Toronto Tool Pro-Cut 50
    http://www.torontotool.com/pro-cut-50.html

    Has anyone used either of these systems? Neither of these are inexpensive but but appear to be less expensive than a MFT/3 + TS55 + 2700mmm guide rail set up.

    I am also curious to hear opinions about the functionality of the above workpiece x-y axis routing system that all 3 systems use for cutting rabbets and dadoes.

    #375316
    Doobie
    Moderator

    I looked at Eurekazone years ago and ended up going Festool for their system approach that I felt was much more wide ranging for me.

    I saw that Pro-Cut system a few years ago but never looked at it in great detail as I didn’t see any need for me with what I already have.

    #375337
    r-ice
    Pro
    Durham region, ON

    The Toronto tool looks interesting, but you can build something similar to that or even a home built panel saw for cheaper. I also ended up getting a festool system that really suited my needs and really haven’t looked else where for anything else till I got to this site. After I read and saw demos of the Mafell auto cutter, I wish I had heard of that and bought that one instead.

    #375355

    Some of the things that user RMW at the FOG has done with 80/20 aluminum extrusion could be another potentially cost-effective way of creating a setup for dealing with sheets, especially if you pair it with a less expensive track saw, like the Makita.

    http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/more-fun-with-8020/?all

    Of course, it would depend on how much you could get the 80/20 for. Buying it all at full price would probably not be worth it. But he has several different saw horses and even a portable work table from 80/20 that is pretty slick.

    John S

    #375373
    Kamster
    Pro

    Thanks for the replies.

    Safety is a big concern and there are times that I haven’t been too happy trying to get a full sheet of plywood prepped and then pushed through the on the table saw. The top mounted saw seems a lot safer

    80/20 is pretty expensive up here in Canada but I will read the FOG thread carefully and see if I can get some inspiration. I’ll also look at the Mafell system – wasn’t aware of it.

    Will the Festool router attachment to the track system allow the use of a non-Festool router (I have a Bosch)?

    #375395
    jponto07
    Moderator
    Bloomington, IN

    The router connection to the rails is iffy. It’s unclear if any outer routers will fit as the spacing for the guide bars isn’t standardized. Makita has been sketchy at best at detailing which if their own routers will fit their own attachment…

    Jon P.
    Timber Carpentry & Construction
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    #375427
    amulder
    Pro
    London, ON

    I didn’t know EZ-Smart still existed…
    I remember reading about it years ago on a woodworking forum. Seemed like a pretty small user community. I’d stick with something a bit more widely supported/present.

    www.wordsnwood.com

    #375470
    DirtyWhiteBoy
    Pro
    Honolulu,, Hi.

    I think your best bet it the OA table and a Makita track saw for breaking down sheet goods. The OA table folds up flat to the wall and the track saw is inexpensive.

    Dirty

    A Working Pro since 1988!

    Member since January 26, 2013.

    #375480
    Doobie
    Moderator

    Will the Festool router attachment to the track system allow the use of a non-Festool router (I have a Bosch)?

    Which attachment are you referring to. There is the standard router attachment, which I have with my OF 1400 Festool router, and there is also the LR32 hole drilling ‘sled’, which is used on an LR track guide rail (same as other guide rails except it has 32mm spaced indexing holes) for drilling 5mm holes with either of the two OF1010 or OF1400 Festool routers. I ‘think you can mount other routers to the sled, but you may need to drill mounting holes in the sled to do so.

    #375523
    r-ice
    Pro
    Durham region, ON

    I think your best bet it the OA table and a Makita track saw for breaking down sheet goods. The OA table folds up flat to the wall and the track saw is inexpensive.

    Yah that is what I am thinking of pairing my festool ts55 to. I already got the plans, just need the time to sit down and make it.

    #375625
    Kamster
    Pro

    I didn’t know EZ-Smart still existed…
    I remember reading about it years ago on a woodworking forum. Seemed like a pretty small user community. I’d stick with something a bit more widely supported/present.

    I hear what you are saying about the potential to be locked into a system with a small user base. I have a Nikon 1 series that I love to death for its incredible autofocus system but the lenses that I need for sports photography just aren’t there.

    #375628

    I think your best bet it the OA table and a Makita track saw for breaking down sheet goods. The OA table folds up flat to the wall and the track saw is inexpensive.

    Yah that is what I am thinking of pairing my festool ts55 to. I already got the plans, just need the time to sit down and make it.

    Whats an OA table?

    #375632
    Kamster
    Pro

    Will the Festool router attachment to the track system allow the use of a non-Festool router (I have a Bosch)?

    Which attachment are you referring to. There is the standard router attachment, which I have with my OF 1400 Festool router, and there is also the LR32 hole drilling ‘sled’, which is used on an LR track guide rail (same as other guide rails except it has 32mm spaced indexing holes) for drilling 5mm holes with either of the two OF1010 or OF1400 Festool routers. I ‘think you can mount other routers to the sled, but you may need to drill mounting holes in the sled to do so.

    I’m not 100% sure that this is the standard router attachment but this is what I had seen and was wondering if it would accept a Bosch 1617 router

    https://www.festool.com/Products/Accessories/Pages/Detail.aspx?pid=492601

    #375638
    ChadM
    Moderator
    East Palestine, Ohio

    Whats an OA table?

    A work table designed by Overanalyze, here is the thread:

    http://bethepro.com/forums/topic/knockdown-cutting-table/

    Chad

    A Working Pro since 1993

    Member since 12/07/2013

    #375639

    I think your best bet it the OA table and a Makita track saw for breaking down sheet goods. The OA table folds up flat to the wall and the track saw is inexpensive.

    Yah that is what I am thinking of pairing my festool ts55 to. I already got the plans, just need the time to sit down and make it.

    Whats an OA table?

    OverAnalyze has plans for a really slick setup:

    http://bethepro.com/forums/topic/knockdown-cutting-table/
    It works in two different sizes

    John S

    #375654
    thedude306
    Moderator
    Foam Lake, SK

    I think your best bet it the OA table and a Makita track saw for breaking down sheet goods. The OA table folds up flat to the wall and the track saw is inexpensive.

    QFT.

    This is the best set up IMO. I have the bosch table saw and I HATE cutting sheet goods on it now that I have a track saw and the OA table. His table is worth it no matter what you are doing in your shop.

    The MFT table is a POS in my opinion. It’s floppy and over priced. A 8020 option is nicer but the OA table get’s the job done. I like the dog holes, but that’s about it.

    Brad T
    Self employed Pro since 2014!!

    #375717
    Doobie
    Moderator

    ’m not 100% sure that this is the standard router attachment but this is what I had seen and was wondering if it would accept a Bosch 1617 router

    I have that with my OF1400. I have never tried any other router to attach it to, so I don’t know. I do not own any Bosch routers also.

    #375726
    Doobie
    Moderator
    #375776
    r-ice
    Pro
    Durham region, ON

    Well look what just showed up at Lee Valley….EZ Smart stuff! Very odd considering they carry Festool in Canada.

    http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?cat=1,240&p=73329

    http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73318&cat=51&ap=1

    http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73323&cat=51&ap=1

    http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73301&cat=51&ap=1

    http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=73304&cat=51&ap=1

    This is very interesting, I’ve been looking around to see what systems I can do dado’s. This might work for me. However the price is a little out of my budget for simple dado’s.

    #375787
    Doobie
    Moderator

    This is very interesting, I’ve been looking around to see what systems I can do dado’s

    Where do you need dados? If you get that Domino, you may noy be making as many dados as you think. Since i got mine, I rarely ever do them or rabbets any longer.

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