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February 27, 2014 at 11:49 am #95987biodeconPro
I just use pen and paper for my estimates, but mine are not as complex as most of yours. I don crime and trauma scene cleaning in western Washington. http://www.biodeconsolutions.comFebruary 27, 2014 at 11:56 am #95992ChadMModeratorRogers, Ohio
I just use pen and paper for my estimates, but mine are not as complex as most of yours. I don crime and trauma scene cleaning in western Washington. http://www.biodeconsolutions.com
That is a tough gig. When I worked in the insurance restoration field the company I PM’d for did some crime scene cleanup. The crime scenes were always put up to volunteer – none of the field guys wanted to do them so the supervisors and PM’s always got stuck with them. Not my cup of tea…
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Member since 12/07/2013February 27, 2014 at 3:11 pm #96017RobertCDFPro
Robert, it seems that if you figure all of the items like the crappy access and poor conditions you read to much into the job and some guy who is not smart enough to do that gets the job.
We typically aren’t working with price shoppers, quite often we are the higher bid anyways (and it’s still not enough). But people know our reputation and I’ll show them in progress projects to prove that we do the highest quality work.
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www.mysteeldeck.comFebruary 27, 2014 at 7:17 pm #96057
I agree that you need to cover all of your costs, we sell our services as a complete price with all things considered. There are to many out there that will bid low and look for change orders later.
About half of our projects are to price sensitive shoppers andvthe rest are those looking for a fair price and quality work.February 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm #96067February 27, 2014 at 7:54 pm #96068
…quite often we are the higher bid anyways (and it’s still not enough)…
Funny, I don’t think that I’m the cheapest, but I do the job right the first time. I can show many examples of what others have done in the past.March 1, 2014 at 11:16 am #96794
During my apprenticeship years I worked for a guy that was the low bidder on a 12 Million dollar project. When we finished the job there were over 14 million dollars in change orders.March 1, 2014 at 12:36 pm #96826
Does that mean that the total job was 26 Million? How did that work out? My brother is getting ready to start on a 34 Million dollar job in a couple of months.March 1, 2014 at 12:43 pm #96831
I have seen jubs where things keep getting added and unforseen conditions pop up where the fimal cost is more than double the originalMarch 1, 2014 at 12:59 pm #96835DesertDeucesProIndio, CA
I don’t do estimates for myself, but I work out pricing to compare to what contractors want to charge us. I use spreadsheets for all my accounting work.
I have a hard-copy pricing book that’s my go-to for when I’m not sure of the numbers. It’s always dead-on with what it recommends. So, just for fun I recently downloaded their student edition of the software. Haven’t used it yet, though.
PatMarch 3, 2014 at 10:38 am #97568
NIce bird Pat.
Yes Sven, it was 26 Million.
I found out the guy always under bid the other contractors to get the job and he had a full time staff that would examine the flaws in the prints and start writing, legal, change orders immediately on any job they took.
The owner would go ahead with the changes “one bite at a time” thinking,’ well they are already on site and it keeps things moving’.
Never realizing what it would turn into.March 3, 2014 at 1:21 pm #97628
That is crazy Rob. Seems like one of those, just the way it is things. I know if I had a bid on something and the price went up (as a customer), I would be a bit upset.March 3, 2014 at 1:31 pm #97631
Shortly afterward, I started my own business and determined that I would do everything I could to give a complete ‘total cost’ contract to all my clients.
That has worked great for me and my clients also.March 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm #97665
We do the same Rob, when people ask about contingency’s for overages, we typically run in the 2 to 5 % range and 90% of that is based on customer changes. Out customers talk about friends who have 10 to 20% in overruns. any overrun charges we initiate are based on unforseen conditions such as poor soils and rotten areas that we find.
We do our best to match allowances with the customers desires to keep realistic numbers for them and give them a true picture.
Many Homes and projects have no overruns.March 3, 2014 at 3:06 pm #97667MozeModeratorDallas, TX
I use Excel (well, Open Office’s version).
Does anyone do any formulating?
Resident Sign GuyMarch 3, 2014 at 3:42 pm #97685
I have my estimate set up in sheet 1 of excell then it pulls totals and allowances to sheet 2 to create the proposal. All of the allowances are then pulled to sheet 3 to track them so when I enter one item it follows through to 3 forms.March 29, 2014 at 9:39 pm #108988RSGProNiles, OH
Just started using the Joist App for iPad. Really nice IMO once you get it set up the way you need itMarch 29, 2014 at 9:43 pm #108996iFixHomesPro
I have my estimate set up in sheet 1 of excell then it pulls totals and allowances to sheet 2 to create the proposal. All of the allowances are then pulled to sheet 3 to track them so when I enter one item it follows through to 3 forms.
I do something almost exactly the same. My last sheet is formatted similar to my proposal sheet but allows me to enter and track actual job cost so I can see how the two compare at the end of a job.March 29, 2014 at 9:49 pm #109000
Just started using the Joist App for iPad. Really nice IMO once you get it set up the way you need it
I looked into joist but their Android app is notnas good as the apple so I did not use it.March 29, 2014 at 9:51 pm #109005overanalyzePro
I use a combination of pen/paper, Quickbooks, and subs to derive my quotes. For our work, no two projects are ever the same, so unified pricing just doesnt work. It is very tedious to compile an accurate, complete price.
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